The Relational Parenting Podcast

Jennie (00:02.28)
I'm going to make sure everyone's got the red dot. We appear to be uploading.

Papa Rick (00:08.843)
I got my red dot. Jenny's thing goes fuzzy when she starts to record. She goes fuzzy because of the upload from my end up to her end, but you can still see her. She just gets blurry.

Noelle (00:11.239)
I have my red dot.

Jennie (00:16.21)
Yeah.

Noelle (00:18.203)
upload here.

Jennie (00:21.744)
Yeah, so mine, so your guys's screens for me sometimes go fuzzy. Sometimes Noel, they'll go black on someone's screen, but it'll have like wording across the middle that says video continuing to record. Um, like image will come back when wifi improves. So if anything like that happens, like we're just, we just keep going because it's still working. It just looks like it's not to us. Um,

Noelle (00:31.17)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (00:51.324)
The only time that will stop or pause or whatever, there will be, there's a notification box that will pop up on your screen, on my screen, on my dad's screen, depending on who has things going wrong. And it'll literally say, like, recording has stopped or this isn't working or go fix this issue. And that rarely happens. So this little, this little, yeah. We pretty much just keep going.

Noelle (00:51.522)
Got it.

Noelle (00:55.598)
Thank you.

Noelle (01:05.581)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:12.014)
Mm-hmm. OK.

Papa Rick (01:16.463)
It's pretty good about knowing when something's.

Jennie (01:20.996)
unless there's a box that's literally like stop the Apple tell us. It's really great actually. Um, so yeah. Okay. And then at the very end, the other thing I always tell people, um, is don't hang up when we sign off. Um, I will click stop record. We'll all we'll be, we'll thank you. You'll thank us or whatever. We'll do all of our sign-offs. We'll be like, all right, bye everybody. And I'll just hit stop record. Don't hang up because then your.

Noelle (01:24.903)
Okay, got it.

Noelle (01:41.762)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:47.724)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:50.944)
part of the upload will stop and it's usually not at 100% until we've quit recording for a minute or so. So just don't hang up.

Noelle (01:55.593)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (02:00.322)
Got it.

Papa Rick (02:02.228)
It'll say 99% for a while.

Jennie (02:04.508)
Yep. And so I'll click Stop Record, and then we'll say goodbye to each other in real time separately. OK. So we are recording. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Relational Parenting podcast. Our guest this week here with us today is Noelle Eichholz. Noelle and I, we met through a mutual friend, right? Emily connected us. Yeah.

Noelle (02:06.121)
Gotcha.

Noelle (02:13.982)
Okay, got it.

Noelle (02:32.931)
Yes.

Jennie (02:33.404)
And through nanny ship, a newborn care specialist, etc. We met through the childcare world and connected and did a trade show together and have just been helping each other as we go along on this entrepreneurial journey. And Noelle has now started her company sensationally wired where she works with

Neurodivergent Children and Families. Welcome, Noelle.

Noelle (03:08.375)
Hi, thank you.

Papa Rick (03:10.224)
Hey, hey.

Jennie (03:11.492)
Awesome. We are so excited to have you here today. I'm so excited for you to tell the world about this. I've been excited about this for months since you first told me about it. We did our trade show together. And I'm just like, Oh my God, this is so needed for parents, for nannies, for anyone who's taking care of children, to have these special skills to be helping kids with

different abilities, different brains, different nervous systems, um, who need more than just a typical way to settle or calm down. And really a lot of these techniques that you're going to talk about today could help any child. Um, they would help me, they would help any adult. Um, so you just have such a breadth of knowledge and talent and yeah.

Tell us about yourself, Noel. Tell us about what you do, and let's get this information out there.

Noelle (04:13.294)
Yeah, absolutely. So like Jenny said, I am Noelle with Sensationally Wired. This is kind of a love child of mine that's been growing for about 25 years. And throughout my 25 years in child care, I did babysitting. I had an in-home daycare, was a career nanny, became a newborn care specialist.

and then went on to be a sleep trainer and sleep consultant, essentially. And along with that, so I've always had a passion for kids, even when I was a kid, I loved babies, loved kids. And throughout kind of a parallel line in my growth, I was gonna go to medical school.

um, loved medicine and, um, wanted to help people. And then that just kind of fell on the wayside, but I did have some medical training, um, became a massage therapist. Yeah. As well as a certified newborn massage instructor. So I've been massaging, you know, babies and newborns for about 24 years now. And through, um,

Through that, I then became a yoga instructor. I can teach meditation and breath work. Then after that, I became very involved in somatic work. And then I became a cranial sacral practitioner. Cranial sacral is a very light bodywork modality where we reset and balance the central nervous system.

So over the last couple of years, I've been thinking that I wanted to kind of find my niche and put all of these things together. And through some of my nannying, I have had kids that had neurodivergences from autism with ADHD, ADD, sensory processing disorder. And through the gambit of...

of just neurodivergences. And then last year, I wanted to find a class, a certification, so that I can learn more for helping these neurodivergent kids sleep better, because most of them struggle. And what I found was there wasn't any training. There wasn't any courses.

There are definitely some doctors out there that have written books and workbooks and some planners, but as far as having a course for a sleep professional to take to learn more, I personally haven't found it as of yet. If you're hearing this and you have it, please reach out because I want to talk. After that, I decided to create that.

Jennie (07:22.041)
Right?

Noelle (07:32.394)
Since I've been doing that, I have been hearing about more and more sleep consultants getting into this field because there is such a lack in service and support for these families of, well, how do you get your ADHD kid who's running around to relax to sleep? And how do you get them to sleep through the night when they wake up and their brain and body are ready to go?

Jennie (07:53.918)
Yeah.

Jennie (08:00.168)
Yeah.

Noelle (08:02.326)
Um, so because sleep is so important for how we function as just as a person and how we relate to life. And if you're tired, things get a little wonky or a lot wonky, depending on how, how little sleep you get. Um, so yeah, with, um, with all of my training has really been focused on the nervous system.

Papa Rick (08:08.055)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (08:14.536)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (08:18.685)
Yeah.

Noelle (08:30.422)
getting things to calm down with the massage and the cranial sacral and the yoga and the breath work and the meditation and the somatic work and all of this has coalesced into this beautiful company that I've created and looking forward to talking with families and parents and kids.

Jennie (08:30.537)
Yeah.

Noelle (08:56.586)
so that I can, I'm doing research studies to see if there's a correlation between the type of neurodivergent and if there's specific techniques or methods that work for those divergences so that I can create courses for parents and sleep professionals. Because it's so important and it's a field that's getting more...

awareness and attention and I'm glad to be a part of it and Excited to kind of see where see where it goes

Jennie (09:36.099)
I love that and it's very...

Papa Rick (09:36.679)
Very cool. Another source of people to have intentional ways to deal with behaviors they're having with their kids that they don't know how to deal with.

Noelle (09:43.862)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Jennie (09:46.228)
Well, and it's also, it's another, just another thing that once again, if we start these things in childhood, there's more awareness now around how sleep quality really affects our health, right? Like if you don't get good sleep, it literally throws everything off. Like you get certain food cravings if you have a lack of sleep. You have obviously like tired, lack of emotional regulation, lack of everything regulation, hormonal regulation. So many, so many ways that sleep affects us.

And if we can get people these tools and start with kids, then those kids get to grow up with those tools and continue to use them into adulthood and then teach their kids. And then eventually maybe we can, you know, exponentially improve the health and wellbeing of human beings, the life satisfaction, all of those things.

Noelle (10:42.958)
Absolutely.

Jennie (10:43.348)
But in a more narrowed down sense, working with newborns up through older kids on their sleep is also gonna provide parents with relief. It's gonna help parental sleep. It's gonna help parental wellbeing and health overall. So I'm really excited that you're doing this. And you have...

Like I said, like you just mentioned a lot of like most of the things that you do. And I've got like my list here of all the things we've talked about. And I'm just like, God, like you just wrap this up into a beautiful box and just give it to families is like, obviously not as a gift. Like you deserve to be paid for it. But it is such a gift that you have all of these modalities to bring to the table. What have you noticed?

Noelle (11:16.93)
Yeah.

Noelle (11:33.858)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (11:38.328)
are some of the, I guess, tried and true. Because each kid is different, right? Each kid that you work with is going to be a little bit different or a lot different and have different needs and different techniques and things that they like or don't like or that work for them or don't work for them. But I'm curious if there are any of these modalities that really have stood out for you that it's like, this kind of works for pretty much anyone.

or could be an option for people to try at home with their kids.

Noelle (12:13.21)
Yeah, I mean, if it's just like a general, instead of like focusing on one case study or a specific issue, overall, for general, really working on getting a schedule and a routine set down around bedtime. And

because what happens is when kids are playing, they're in the moment, they don't wanna shift gears, they're happy doing what they're doing and they don't wanna go to bed, they don't wanna stop playing. So, but if you have this routine and they know what's coming and they know what to expect, that creates a safety within their bodies, within their nervous systems.

Jennie (12:50.975)
Yeah.

Jennie (13:08.703)
Yeah.

Noelle (13:09.606)
And within this safety, they know what's coming and their body begins to relax. And so they can fall asleep better and sleep better. So that's one. So again, really just working on nervous system regulation. Another one would be having them breathe.

Jennie (13:15.36)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (13:38.014)
and either teaching them just simple belly breaths. Something else that I teach parents and kids is to get a crazy straw, just a silly straw. And as you breathe through it, it changes how, because it's a little bit harder, the nervous system relaxes and calms down. So there are tons of games that,

Jennie (13:50.794)
Oh yeah

Jennie (14:02.397)
Yeah.

Noelle (14:06.802)
you can do around silly straws. And kids love silly straws. They think it's a game, but it's really just, it's fun to breathe. And so they love that. Another thing is really focusing on their diet. And I'm not saying, cause

Jennie (14:13.212)
Right? Makes it fun, yeah.

Yeah.

Noelle (14:33.718)
A lot of kids with sensory issues, their diet can revolve around brown food. Their diets can revolve around crunchy food or soft food or things like that. And I know that is a completely different ball game and that's working on a whole new level, but being aware of things like sugar or having too much milk.

Jennie (14:43.188)
Mm.

Jennie (15:00.66)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (15:03.626)
because there's a lot of sugar and milk and so a lot of parents will give kids milk before bed and Sometimes it's great for them, but other times it wires them up because of the lactose which breaks down into sugar and

Jennie (15:04.105)
Yeah.

Jennie (15:13.312)
Hmm. That's right. I always forget that, that lactose, like, it's a sugar. I always forget that, yeah.

Noelle (15:22.494)
Yeah, anything that ends in os, fructose, lactose, it's a sugar. And if you can, of course, have a good well-balanced diet, but just being aware of sugar and caffeine before bed is super important. And the other thing is just really creating

Jennie (15:23.871)
Yup.

Papa Rick (15:27.798)
sucrose.

Jennie (15:42.601)
Yeah.

Noelle (15:51.386)
a safe place in their bed and creating that environment in their rooms. And there's so many, suggestions around how to have a good sleep environment, a good safe sleep environment for the kids to relax with. Yeah, I mean, those, and then they're, like I said, there are so many different.

Jennie (16:09.364)
Yeah.

Noelle (16:18.882)
things, but those are like across the board for either neurodivergent or neurotypical or just humans in general. It doesn't really have to be a kid. It's more about, yeah, just giving your body what it needs and giving it the time to slow down and shift gears to find that quiet within their bodies.

Jennie (16:27.925)
Right?

Jennie (16:41.663)
Yeah.

Jennie (16:49.492)
I love that. And that's even sleep advice that we get as adults is like, don't do work in your bed. Don't do anything in your bedroom except sleep. So that when your body walks in there, maybe you have a sleep time routine. Mine is like I wash my face, brush my teeth. There's specific things that I do. I put on cuticle oil on my nails.

Like that one like feels luxurious like it feels like something to look forward to like it's just like a little tiny thing But it just it's something that feels good You should it's it feels like but creating something like the craziest That's like but that's like the crazy straws for kids is like this is a fun thing to look forward to at bedtime because We talked about this in another episode that bedtime is a time of separation and that is the hardest part of the day for children

Noelle (17:20.366)
I'm going to go to bed.

Papa Rick (17:24.623)
I'll have to start doing that.

Noelle (17:28.08)
Yeah, it's great stuff.

Papa Rick (17:30.659)
cuticle oil.

Papa Rick (17:43.771)
Yeah.

Jennie (17:43.952)
is when they are separated from you emotionally and in their nervous system, that is a dangerous thing to be separated from you. And so creating a bedtime that is full of safety and love and joy and maybe a little fun makes it feel, I mean, safe, I don't know what other word to use, but, and allows their nervous system to calm down enough to go to sleep. And

So having a bedtime routine for yourself, having it translate that down to your children, they need a bedtime routine too to calm, it signals their bodies. Okay, it's time to start calming down. It's, you know, we're gonna head to bed. So Noel, when you go into, or you have in the past, you've gone into homes locally and worked with families hands-on.

And then you're also planning to create courses online where parents can access and learn these tools to utilize themselves in their homes, nation or worldwide, right? But I'm curious about what does a session look like? If you were to, you know, a family hires you to help them with their neurodivergent child, we just cannot, a sleep routine isn't working or this isn't working, you know, we cannot get this child.

to sleep through the night and they're five years old or whatever the situation might be. What does that, what does it look like for you to go into a home and work with people?

Noelle (19:20.654)
So currently I am mainly doing consulting, so it'll be online. If there is a local family, then I would go in, you know, one to three nights to show the parents how it looks and what kind of what to expect. But currently I am mainly doing online consulting.

So what that process looks like is I have three different packages and once I decide which package they would like, they will fill out a sleep questionnaire about what the issues are or what is working well.

Noelle (20:18.286)
overall view of what their sleep looks like. I will also ask them about their days and how their diet is and if they get outside to play or how much screen time they have. They will also fill out a sleep log which will go for about a week and

Jennie (20:24.542)
Yeah.

Noelle (20:45.602)
to see if there's any patterns. They'll tell us, they'll tell me when the kid is put into bed, when they are actually going to sleep, when they wake up in the morning, if they are waking up in the middle of the night, and if there's any issues, if there's sleep terrors or sleepwalking, nightmares, you know, recurring bedwetting.

Jennie (20:49.265)
Yeah.

Noelle (21:14.83)
Things like that. So just getting an overview of a week long sleep and then also if there's any napping during the day. Cause a lot of kids, if they're not sleeping at night, they're gonna try to get naps during the day to make up. But then those naps can affect their nighttime sleep. So we'll go through that and then they'll fill out another form just to let me know.

Jennie (21:27.401)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (21:30.792)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Noelle (21:43.318)
if there's any diagnosed neurodivergences, if they are seeing any therapists or doctors, whether it's OT, PT, psychologists or ABA therapies. And once I have a really good overview and they fill out their sleep log for a week, we will then have a one hour.

consultations to kind of go over any more details about their issues or their concerns with their child's sleep. And then I really want to find also the parents' temperament because some are okay with listening to their kids cry and struggle and then some that absolutely do not want any of that.

And so the parent's temperament, I take into account of what sleep method and techniques we're going to use to help their kid go to sleep. And after our hour long conversation, and during that conversation, we'll go over what I think would be an appropriate sleep technique to help their kid with their struggle.

Jennie (22:52.126)
Yeah.

Noelle (23:10.418)
And then after our call, I will create a step-by-step sleep plan for them of, because a lot of the times when we're talking about this stuff, they may not retain everything that we talk about, or they'll forget to write something out. So I will then create a sleep plan of here's your step-by-step of what we talked about during our call.

Jennie (23:26.835)
Yeah.

Noelle (23:40.646)
And then I will also make suggestions for sleep products. Some kids really do well with like a bed tent because it gives them an enclosed space. I'll recommend some night lights, but not white or blue lights, but red lights and different suggestions for just for products that can help.

Jennie (23:52.981)
Mm-mm. Yeah.

Jennie (24:02.909)
Yeah.

Noelle (24:10.586)
with that individual. And then I'll also give them suggestions of diet hints or if they're not seeing, or if the child hasn't been evaluated, give them suggestions to go get evaluated from a diagnostician to maybe help pinpoint where they are. And then...

With every single package that I have, they will also receive videos or audios of some breathwork techniques for the parents as well as the kids. I will show the parents some cranial sacral techniques that they can do on their own child. That's super easy. That can help benefit.

Papa Rick (24:55.345)
Thank you.

Noelle (25:07.082)
everyone's nervous system. I'll also send a meditation for the kids and parents because both need their own nervous system regulations and their own support. So they get all that. So that's like the one-time phone call. I also have a six-week support that they have.

three follow-up calls, three 30-minute follow-up calls with me. They can talk about any issues that are doing better, some that aren't doing better. We can make changes to the sleep plan or I can offer more suggestions for products. And then they also get texting support as well. And then for my last package, it's eight weeks of support.

five extra one hour videos, any changes to the sleep plan and support. And if they are local, I am outside the Denver area. So Denver Boulder, I might even go, you know, hour and a half, you know, outside my circle, if they're interested in having cranial sacral sessions as well for either the child, the parent, or even as full.

as full families, I do that as well.

Papa Rick (26:38.343)
Cool.

Noelle (26:38.538)
That's kind of what to expect. And I know it seems like a lot, but sleep is complicated. It's not just this, you know, you get into bed, you lie down and you go to sleep. Like I've struggled with insomnia since I was 10. And it took me...

Jennie (26:44.914)
Yeah.

Noelle (26:58.826)
about a little over 25 years to figure out how to sleep and what my body needed. And so I spent, again, 25 years of my own personal journey trying to figure out how to just sleep personally. And because I've tried all these other things, I was like, oh, now I know what works, at least for me. And then I can take all those other things of, yeah, I tried this, it didn't really work for me, but it might for you.

Jennie (27:03.776)
Hmm.

Jennie (27:19.41)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (27:20.667)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (27:27.43)
Yeah.

Noelle (27:28.083)
So, yeah.

Papa Rick (27:29.967)
Very cool. Pretty cool. That's the first thing I thought when you said that about, uh, working with parents to get kids to sleep was how much of the work is actually with the parents. You know, if you've got a, you know, especially young parents, you know, there's a hectic environment. It's like, no, no. There's back to the safety and the expectations, the predictability, the wind down, all these things. You guys.

Noelle (27:42.495)
most of it.

Jennie (27:42.62)
Yeah. That was going to be what I said too. Yeah.

Noelle (27:50.591)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (27:59.359)
have been talking about, it's like, yeah, you got, and performing some of the techniques on the parents so that they have an understanding of what, you know, the craniosacral, the body work so that the parent has an understanding of the effect on the child, you know, personally. Yeah, that sounds like that could all be very educational, especially if you had a kid that was.

Noelle (28:22.83)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (28:25.947)
particularly challenged going to sleep. I mean, there's enough of that with just any young child, you know, training, sleep training, you know, let alone if there's a particular nervous system upset or something.

Jennie (28:31.552)
Right.

Noelle (28:32.042)
than a young child. Right, absolutely.

Jennie (28:41.64)
We talked about that in our friendship and in previous conversations, Noel, of how much work with kids is actually work with parents. Whether it's nannying or newborn care specialist or sleep consulting or consulting with neurodivergent kids, it's, I mean, what, 90?

Papa Rick (28:43.335)
Thank you.

Jennie (29:11.008)
to 95% it's working with parents. Yeah. Because it's the parents. Yeah. Those kids are just kids. The work is educating parents because no one walks into parenting. We've said this a billion times. No one walks into parenting with all of these tools and skills. No, there's parenting isn't taught.

Noelle (29:13.202)
Yeah, I was, that's, yeah. Yeah, I was about ready to say like 90, 95, right?

Papa Rick (29:17.499)
Kids are just kids. They're at the mercy. Yeah, I get it. I'll bet.

Papa Rick (29:38.055)
There's no tests, no degree, no training, no preparation.

Jennie (29:40.832)
There's no train, nothing. Yeah, I mean, I think some people take like Lamaze for birth and then how to change a diaper. There's like a one-off parenting class at hospitals is what I've seen. Or there's court ordered parenting classes when things are like really bad and kids are getting sent to foster care and taken out of the home. And that's a whole other level and place to be that isn't, yeah, this.

Papa Rick (30:00.567)
It's hard. Yeah, it's already. Yeah.

Jennie (30:09.672)
Just parenting, standard parenting is so hard and so self-reflective and so mind boggling and chaotic. And then you add anything on top of that, like having a child with a different brain than a typical child or anything else. And it's just like, what do I do? Where do I go? What book do I read? How do I actually know, you know, who's been doing what or has the degree to do the thing? And is it gonna work for my kid? And that's why I'm so excited.

that there's your like having someone who's been doing it for 25 years, who's worked with so many different kids, so many different kinds of families and has such a huge toolbox. It's like, you're almost guaranteed, you are guaranteed to find something that works, you know, and to be able to evaluate the details of their lives and be like, try this.

Noelle (30:59.686)
Yeah.

Thanks.

Noelle (31:07.63)
Absolutely.

Papa Rick (31:07.755)
I think it's so cool that there are so many resources available now and accessible that you can find with the internet and YouTube and podcasts and whatever. Steps to take before you just go to your pediatrician or before there's all kinds of people to talk to and things to learn and before that are just like, hey, we didn't do that in my family.

you know, hey, that would be a good idea kind of stuff to pick up before you decide, yeah, it's a tumor, you know, before it's some kind of serious medical problem.

Noelle (31:40.511)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (31:50.238)
Right.

Jennie (31:50.356)
Well, and it's in like pediatricians, the, oh my God, pediatricians are also specialists. Like they, pediatricians are fantastic and they know a lot of things. And they have, that's their, they have a specialty in the medical arena with kids. And so, you know, there's a lot of other modalities outside of the medical community for parents to tap into.

Papa Rick (31:52.449)
It's not a tumor.

Noelle (32:05.058)
in.

Papa Rick (32:08.843)
Absolutely.

Jennie (32:20.03)
Yeah.

Noelle (32:22.386)
Yeah, because a lot of there are great pediatricians out there. And I've also spoken to a lot of them. And a lot of them don't have classes about nutrition or regulation or sleep. And they can say, okay, well, you know, go, go over here and check out a sleep consultant because, you know, unfortunately, you know, that's just something I, you know, is.

Jennie (32:45.504)
Hmm.

Noelle (32:52.93)
I feel it could be stronger within the community for sure. I highly respect pediatricians and their work with the body. But it's the body and sleep is different and nutrition is different. It's a good idea to have a team of specialists to

really look at the body as a whole and get those people who know about those different fields and come together to treat everything. Because not one person is going to be an expert in everything.

Jennie (33:26.29)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (33:43.119)
Everybody has their wheelhouse. Yep, that's what specialty is. Yeah.

Noelle (33:44.938)
Yep, absolutely. Yep.

Jennie (33:48.412)
Yeah, I love it. I love it. Let me see here.

Papa Rick (34:06.595)
Nationally accredited pediatric sleep consultant jumped out at me. That's a... How'd you run into that?

Noelle (34:13.226)
yet.

Noelle (34:17.506)
So currently I am certified. I am in the process, a couple months out of being accredited. And several years ago, I took a sleep consulting course. Let's see, when was that? About two years ago. And I just fell in love with sleep.

I mean, I've always been fascinated by the brain and sleep happens in the brain. And so last year, my sleep teacher, my sleep trainer or she opened up to going further and more studies within the sleep community. And once I finished her program, like I said, very, very soon.

I'm sending off all of my paperwork to become accredited nationally. So yeah, that's how I kind of fell into it. When I was doing my newborn care specialty there, I was working with an agency and they had a family that needed some sleep training. So I just jumped in like I always do cuz I like information and I wanted to just suck it all up.

Papa Rick (35:20.575)
Oh boy.

Noelle (35:44.938)
So I took the sleep training course and fell in love with it and haven't looked back.

Papa Rick (35:53.955)
didn't realize there was such a thing. That's cool that there's such an organization for that kind of specialty, you know.

Jennie (35:55.571)
Hehehehe

Noelle (35:56.708)
Yep. There is. There is such a thing. Yeah.

Jennie (36:06.516)
Awesome. I...

Jennie (36:10.748)
I want to touch more on working with parent temperament. Because something that you said in one of our conversations was that there's so much trying to control and change children versus just listening.

Noelle (36:22.505)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (36:40.128)
to who and what they are and letting them be and meeting them where they are. So much, and I've witnessed this too, and that's why you and I have talked about it, is through working with families in their private homes, nannies see things that even their closest friends and family don't see. Because we are in the home every day or often enough, we are operating as if we are part of the family.

Noelle (36:48.791)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (37:10.5)
After a couple of months, you always know when parents have gotten comfortable with you being around because you start seeing them bicker with each other or you start seeing them lose their cool with the kids or you start seeing things that people keep under wraps or keep hidden from the general public about just general human flaws that we all have.

Papa Rick (37:35.451)
You get past polite.

Jennie (37:37.596)
you know, we get comfortable, we learn to trust each other. And then that also means that we now get to see uglier sides of one another. And for us as nannies, it's like, this is our job and we're professionals. So we still are maintaining that, but because we're in the parents' home, they're letting loose a little more. Cause like it's my house and this is where I live. And so that's just the natural flow of things.

So you and I, Noelle, and anyone else who's been a long-term nanny in any capacity knows what this feels like to watch the slow, almost trickling of real, who you really are behind closed doors that starts to come out. And you get to witness people really at their worst or close to it.

weee

can almost see through that experience exactly what parts of the parent are causing the hard things that are happening with the children, or at least influencing it heavily. And you watch the children react and respond to how the parent is showing up in real time.

Noelle (38:57.812)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (39:07.32)
Yeah, in real time.

Jennie (39:10.012)
And that's probably a huge reason that you and I are both where we are right now, starting these businesses and wanting to help families with these techniques. And because it's so, it's so real, and it's so hard because we as nannies, like, we're not perfect either. Like, we have our own triggers and our own ways of showing up on not our best days with children. And, like, everybody does it. But this, but the way that a, that a biological connection...

Papa Rick (39:12.037)
Yeah.

Noelle (39:19.318)
Thank you.

Jennie (39:39.312)
affects the well-being of a child or the behaviors or the reactions or the safety of a child is a very special bond that you really can't get anywhere else. And so the witnessing of parents and their behavior and the way that it does cause a child because a child has no control over themselves yet, not or very little.

Jennie (40:08.084)
I don't know, I feel like our work, yes, we're aimed at helping kids, but I feel like more than anything, we're aimed at helping parents understand and meet their kids where they're at for a more successful, healthy, loving, joyful relationship.

Noelle (40:11.086)
I think that's a good question. Absolutely.

Papa Rick (40:32.751)
Yeah, for a, I mean, a primary caregiver, a parent, a biological, whatever, you know, that's the, that's the most, generally the most important relationship. And if that person isn't regulated, if our job is to teach some regulate, teach our kids to regulate and we're not regulated ourselves, that's, you know, it's like having a bad golf coach or, you know, it's like, Hey, uh, let's, let's learn a little bit more about this.

Noelle (40:34.267)
I'm going to turn it over to you. Thank you.

Papa Rick (41:02.127)
while we're trying to teach it too, you know, it helps to...

Papa Rick (41:07.852)
helps to educate the parents too.

Noelle (41:09.77)
Right, absolutely. Because a lot of us, either parents or grandparents, there wasn't this awareness yet. And so, like, our grandparents taught our parents what they knew from their parents and so on and so forth. And so it takes an individual to

Jennie (41:21.844)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Noelle (41:38.39)
really kind of stop and look at the lineage of how things have been done within the families and then it's their choice to make those changes so that we in this generation can begin to teach our children a better way of relating

Jennie (41:45.524)
Yeah.

Noelle (42:07.246)
to ourselves, to life, to other human beings. And yeah, and it really just starts with finding that stillness and quiet within ourselves. And if we, as in this generation, teaching the kids how to be okay with themselves and even meet themselves where they are.

Jennie (42:22.185)
Hmm.

Noelle (42:36.21)
in that moment and try to find tools and techniques that help them reach their greatest potential, I think is super important. And, but in order to teach that, the parents have to learn first. They need to learn that if something was done within their family and they didn't like it to stop,

Jennie (42:54.527)
Yeah.

Noelle (43:04.258)
and do that in her work and find that stillness within them so that they can make the change for their children.

Jennie (43:11.965)
Yeah.

Something when you said, I love that you use the word, it takes an individual because that.

Noelle (43:16.174)
for sure.

Jennie (43:24.264)
Like it takes somebody willing to step away from the pack or the way that things have always been done or the norm or whatever our friends are doing or whatever our family did and whatever influence grandma and grandpa are having on how you're raising your children. And it takes an individual and it takes bravery and courage to be like, I'm not, you know, the A, B and C are things that I hated in my childhood, how I was spoken to

Noelle (43:32.684)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (43:54.484)
treated when I had trouble or this or that, and to say, I'm not going to repeat that pattern. I'm gonna find the places in my life where I maybe do that. Or maybe the things that you do with your kids are completely different or new, but we all have flaws. We all have blind spots and looking at yourself and like looking at a mirror.

so hard, so hard. And looking at the places where you don't like the way that you're treating your kids or you wish that you had more answers on a better way to do things for your kids, that word individual really struck me when you said it. And I was like, it does. It takes a person who can drown out the noise of influence from outside.

Papa Rick (44:29.289)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (44:54.524)
voices or judgment from outside voices to decide, not only decide, making the decision is the easy part. Following through, seeking the knowledge, seeking those other modalities, trying things that are completely foreign and weird or whatever they feel like is the hard part, the brave part. And when something

Papa Rick (45:21.935)
The Daily Walk.

Jennie (45:22.876)
Yeah, and when something doesn't work, being brave enough to try again and not think that it means that you were wrong and you should just go back to the way things were.

Papa Rick (45:32.971)
Yeah. Or it's too hard. Taking responsibility. When you said the word Noel, the individual, I flashed on responsibility. Sometimes it's like things are the way they are. Good, bad, indifferent. Sometimes you just have to say, quit talking about, you know, basically blame. You know, it's like, well, my parent was drunk or whatever. Whatever caused it when you're raising your kids. Sometimes you just have to go, well,

Noelle (45:43.566)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (46:03.027)
You gotta own that crap and what do I do about it? And they don't take care of it. The individual, the idea of individual kind of boiled down to okay this is my problem, how do I solve it? Figure out how to start figuring out how to make it different, if you want it different.

Noelle (46:18.786)
Okay.

Noelle (46:23.27)
Absolutely. Yeah, because there was a saying that, like, as a child, what was done to you, and how it affected you wasn't your choice. But as an adult, it is now your choice to address that and to make changes wherever it needs to wherever it needs to be.

Papa Rick (46:37.722)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (46:44.646)
Yep.

Jennie (46:48.912)
Yeah, it's now your, I think they did the, I've seen that quote. It wasn't your, it's not your fault or your, and it wasn't your choice. The way that you got treated as a child, but it is now your responsibility to heal from and not repeat that pattern.

Papa Rick (47:04.872)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Noelle (47:06.326)
Yes, that one.

Jennie (47:06.884)
Yeah, the responsibility word. Yeah. And that's one, I mean, that's one obvious, like I've worked with for years now. And there's, I think, I don't know. I don't, I've never met someone who has not had something, some grudge they held against their parents in some way. Even, even if you had wonderful, loving parents, like no human is perfect.

Papa Rick (47:09.806)
Yeah.

Jennie (47:35.744)
And there were things from your childhood that you did not appreciate and wasn't what you needed and all of those things. And so there's been like very deep work and part of this business being born out of it has been the work of forgiveness and or hard conversations with parents about things that hurt us from our past. And...

but also then not just like, you did this and you did that and you need to apologize to me, but also sitting in like meditation or just like laying in bed for an extra few minutes in the morning when I'm having a hard time and remembering that like my parent also did the best they could. My parent also came from their childhood with all of these things and look at all of those things they didn't repeat for me. All of the ways that they overcame and did not parent me the way they were parented.

Noelle (48:25.326)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (48:32.092)
and but they were still human and made mistakes. And now I have all of those things that I get to not repeat and pass on. And.

So there's, yeah, there's a healthy balance there of being, of recognizing the patterns in your family that are, that are toxic or maladaptive and doing them better and also not, um, like hating or turning your parents into like monsters because they made mistakes or, and this is, yeah, not victimizing yourself. Yeah.

Papa Rick (49:05.499)
being a, ends up being a victim, right? You end up when you just demonize somebody, it's like, well, you take, you adopt this victimized thing. And instead of being for me, the words adult starts to jump out. It's like, okay, when you can accept that crap happened in the past and it's in the past and just decide, and just start dealing with it, um, taking responsibility for today and taking responsibility for your children and

Jennie (49:30.953)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (49:34.827)
You know, there's a fork in the road there somewhere where if you fall back into victimhood and blaming, then, okay, you are, you know, you probably have to scratch all this, but you know, there's a lack of adultness or something, lack of responsibility there. At some point, you have to say, okay, this is mine now, and so what am I going to do tomorrow?

Jennie (49:38.27)
Yeah.

Noelle (50:02.006)
Absolutely. Yeah, and that's, and that, yeah. And it's like, most of us and...

Papa Rick (50:04.879)
Have stuff.

Papa Rick (50:09.783)
parenting sucks. Yeah, you know what? You know what?

Jennie (50:11.807)
Just don't do it. That's the final message. Just don't do it.

Noelle (50:16.772)
Don't do it, no, no.

Jennie (50:21.128)
We're so sorry. Oh God.

Papa Rick (50:23.022)
Sorry.

Noelle (50:23.53)
I'm sorry.

Papa Rick (50:27.091)
It's, but it's tough, you know, dealing with kids as a route to personal growth too. And, you know, and, uh, the relational thing Jenny's working on, you know, the importance of the relationship with the parent and the child. It's funny how that even gets down to sleep. I just keep seeing that pattern in all these talks we have. It's like, boy, you gotta work. You gotta work on your relationship with your kids. And that just turns into all kinds of thought, you know.

Noelle (50:45.266)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Noelle (50:54.658)
Yeah, absolutely. Cause if, if you've got stuff going on within yourself, your central nervous system here is, is activated and you're in that fighter, fighter fleet freeze. And just going on this survival instinct and most humans in the world, especially, you know, here in America, we're, we're always on and we're always just.

Papa Rick (51:15.246)
Yeah.

Noelle (51:23.898)
anxious or suspicious or don't trust or don't feel safe or this, that or the other. And if an adult, a parent has that, then they have a hard time regulating themselves. And if they can't regulate themselves, then they have a hard time relating with others, you know, i.e. their children. And then they're also modeling that.

Kids learn by seeing and they want to imitate their parents. So if they see that, that's what the child is going to think is normal and right. And so they mirror that and that's what they do and it's hard. So yeah, being a parent is hard work. It takes a lot of...

Jennie (51:55.643)
Yeah.

Noelle (52:23.254)
um, inner reflection and really kind of catching yourself first and working on who you are to relate better. And if the parent can figure out how to just calm down and chill out, they can teach that to their kids. And if both of them are feeling good, then if we're going to bring it, you know, circle back to sleep, then if they're feeling good and relaxed.

then they both can sleep better. And sleep can then make you in a better mood. It can make you more present and able to handle and process life. And so yeah, it's just this really hard downward spiral circle, how do you get out? What's that first step to stop spinning through the whirlpool?

Papa Rick (53:06.838)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (53:17.849)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (53:20.926)
and just kind of stop things and then you can find your way out. It's just a matter of finding that one thing that will calm the individual so that they can work on finding that stillness for them so they can teach it.

Jennie (53:39.133)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (53:41.071)
Like a big ball of string. Where's the one... where do I start to unravel this? You know? You gotta work on it piece by piece. You can't get overwhelmed by the, oh I'm never gonna get this whole thing unraveled. It's like, well okay there's something to unravel. Let's just start working on that. We won't... we'll be done when we're done. You know, you don't worry about the end when you start.

Noelle (53:44.99)
Yeah, exactly. And.

Noelle (54:07.594)
Right, absolutely. And I like to tell people, I'm like, okay, so what and what gives you seven? There are so many options. There's one plus six and four plus three or 49 square root of 49. There are so many ways to get to seven. It's just a matter of finding out which one is going to be the best path for you within that whole like.

Papa Rick (54:21.851)
Here you come.

Papa Rick (54:28.527)
I like that.

Noelle (54:37.15)
algebraic equation thing. Because there are so many answers, but finding which one works best for you. So there's a lot of the times, I'm not saying there's not a wrong answer, but I'm just saying that there are so many right answers. And it's just a matter of finding out which one is going to work.

Jennie (54:40.266)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (54:41.415)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (54:56.393)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (54:57.616)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (55:02.875)
Sometimes we get in our own way too, because maybe it's three and four is probably the best answer with this particular child. But if you're insistent that one be part of the solution, then it may take you a while to get to one and two and four or you may, you spend time, you get attached to a vision.

Jennie (55:22.56)
Hmm.

Papa Rick (55:29.939)
of how it's going to work. And sometimes you got to step back and, you know, and maybe work with somebody else. I like the idea that you guys have worked with so many kids, you know, a parent that's raised two or three kids. That's great. But having gone out, seen a hundred or a thousand kids gives you such a great perspective, you walk into a home and now you have this broader perspective of what's.

okay I've seen ninety percent of my people do this or golly I've never seen that before that's pretty unusual, good, bad or indifferent and I like that I like the fact that you get this you bring the perspective of more kids more parents you know than most people get to experience in their lives.

Jennie (56:00.497)
Yeah.

Jennie (56:17.417)
Yeah.

Jennie (56:20.796)
I like what you were saying, Noel, a minute ago with...

I like the math problems. There's more than one right way to do things. There's more than one solution and finding the right one or the right combo for each child. And that just, it also speaks to how people, the word reparenting keeps coming to mind. And it's a workshop I've run before is reparenting yourself. And this can be for anyone, whether you're a parent or not.

Papa Rick (56:31.131)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (56:49.435)
Hmm.

Noelle (56:54.741)
Mm.

Jennie (56:56.784)
any adult who is out of the parental home and has this pain to work through or the way they relate to themselves or the world. Because those things apply to us as well. When the parent, in your example, Noelle, when the parent can be calm, when the parent can be regulated, when the parent has healed or is working through healing and addressing those things in themselves, that's when they can.

make huge strides with their children. That's when you can meet your child where you're at, when you can meet yourself where you're at and accept yourself and accept your pain and accept your wounds and then also decide that you're not a victim and that I am the one in the driver's seat and I can determine how to move forward and what to pass down and what not to pass down and to continue this cycle.

Noelle (57:37.748)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (57:54.884)
meeting ourselves, having grace for ourselves, having love for ourselves, compassion for ourselves, and doing the work that's needed right now for where I'm at right now, that's when we can then do that for our children and for each of our individual children because they're each going to be different and have different specific needs along the way. But being able to look at your child for who and what they are and not

see them as something to be fixed or that there's something wrong or there's a problem to be solved, but simply this is my child. These are their needs. They have unique needs just like any child. How can I serve them as their parent? How can I get their needs met? And that's where practitioners like you come in or taking a class or take, you know, all of these ways that we can, that our children need.

Let's see, let me rephrase that. Every child is unique. And so there might be some overlap of what your children need to feel safe, but there's probably also going to be difference. And finding the right math problem, the right way to get to seven for each of your children is something that's going to be so much easier for you to do if you are also calm and regulated and looking at.

what exists instead of looking at something from a place of projection or there's something wrong with my child and I have to fix it. Because your kid can feel that. They won't know until they're well into adulthood what that feeling was when they're reflecting back 20 years ago, but kids can feel that. They pick up the energy of someone trying to fix them or make them be something that they're not instead of just meet my needs.

Noelle (59:32.622)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (59:32.623)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (59:35.406)
Yes.

Jennie (59:51.796)
Like these are my needs and this is what I need to feel safe. Can you, can you meet me here? Can you sit with me here? Or I need to blow through a crazy straw. Like I know it's weird, but like I need to blow through a crazy straw because it forces my autonomic nervous system to calm the fuck down so I can go to sleep. Like it gives me something to focus on. It gives me a pinpoint of focus, like deeply focused.

Papa Rick (59:57.771)
I need more sleep.

Noelle (59:59.718)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep.

Papa Rick (01:00:03.631)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:00:11.054)
Right? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Papa Rick (01:00:11.674)
Calms you down, yeah.

Noelle (01:00:18.375)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:00:21.12)
to breathe through that crazy straw. At our trade show, I'm so happy that you brought up the crazy straw. You had one like right there bringing it up because at the trade show that we went to, we had to have an activity for kids at the table. And I had one and she had hers and it was this box that was set up with little race tracks and cotton balls and crazy straws. And the kids got to take a crazy straw and blow through it to.

Noelle (01:00:29.01)
No.

Papa Rick (01:00:37.294)
Okay.

Papa Rick (01:00:47.667)
Uh, cool. Yeah.

Jennie (01:00:48.352)
to try and see how fast they could blow their cotton ball down. And then they got to take their crazy straw with them. And it was just so cute. I loved it. I was like, oh my god, they're going to love. They get a crazy straw. Like.

Papa Rick (01:00:53.467)
racing cotton ball.

Noelle (01:01:04.714)
Yeah, no, I loved it because it was like, I had my crazy straws. You had your glitter, glitter slime. Thank you. Glitter slime. And then and then and then and then the balloon animals there. There were just lines of kids surrounding this, like this little these two little tables and people saw like they saw crazy straws and kids were coming over just to get a crazy straw from our table, which

Jennie (01:01:10.356)
Slime. Oh my God, that was such a mess. It was such a mess.

Papa Rick (01:01:15.636)
Oh my god, yeah.

Jennie (01:01:20.508)
Yes! I'm gonna add hordes.

Yeah.

Noelle (01:01:34.238)
was great because then we got to talk to more families. And it was awesome. Yeah, I have another event coming up in a few weeks that I'll have a booth at. And I've got more crazy straws. And I learned my lesson is I need to have double than what I think.

Jennie (01:01:37.856)
So lots of parents, yeah.

Papa Rick (01:01:39.215)
Yeah.

That's a great idea.

Jennie (01:01:56.789)
Right?

Papa Rick (01:01:57.123)
Yeah, what's the most, what's the most highest number of crazy straws you've passed out at an event, one event.

Noelle (01:02:01.934)
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.

Noelle (01:02:05.998)
I mean, honestly, that event, I think I had 150 and they were all gone. All gone and then thankfully I brought other straws but they were just normal bendy straws and so it didn't give the same effect. But yeah, no, next event, there are 200. In fact, they're sitting right next to me. So.

Jennie (01:02:10.804)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:02:12.111)
Poof. Skies to the limit.

Jennie (01:02:18.941)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:02:19.396)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:02:23.488)
Thanks for watching!

Papa Rick (01:02:25.148)
Have they got like your name and phone number and web page and everything on it? Can you do that on a straw? Yeah. I'm sure there's a place out there that'll do that for you.

Jennie (01:02:27.424)
Oh my gosh, personalized, personalized crazy straws. That'd be so expensive, oh my gosh.

Noelle (01:02:28.019)
Not on the crazy straws.

Noelle (01:02:32.686)
That's crazy, it's so hot.

Noelle (01:02:37.202)
You know, I'm sure if I got like a little like sticky little double-sided sticker, just be like, but no.

Jennie (01:02:40.512)
sticker.

Papa Rick (01:02:40.699)
like a card. Oh, there you go. Little plastic tab thing.

little Daimo label or you could probably make your own eventually.

Jennie (01:02:50.64)
Ooh, I have those. I have a labeler. Ehh!

Noelle (01:02:51.964)
I'm sure I could.

Papa Rick (01:02:55.143)
That's probably tough enough to not come off of, would not choke a two-year-old, you know.

That's funny.

Noelle (01:03:02.472)
Yeah, so no, that was a fun day. It's a long day, but fun day.

Jennie (01:03:06.16)
was. I remember the next day after that I just like laid around and stared at the wall. I was like, that was a lot of talking and fast talking.

Noelle (01:03:11.91)
I, yeah.

Papa Rick (01:03:15.703)
I think we podcasted a day or two after and you were kind of wiped after doing it, one of those shows, but what a great idea to give something to give kids something to do so you get word in with the parents instead of them having to hold their children by the hair and hold them still from over stimulation. Yeah. Breathe through this straw.

Jennie (01:03:20.788)
Probably.

Noelle (01:03:21.397)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:03:27.201)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:03:30.375)
Yep. And.

Jennie (01:03:35.625)
Right?

Noelle (01:03:38.002)
Yeah, yeah. And so like I said, it's just, it's something fun. And then that, that also gets me to talk about the nervous system and regulation. And then that also gets me to talk into cranial sacral therapy and, and all the, all the good stuff that comes with that work. And so yeah, it's, um, and you know, you just think it just a crazy straw. So

Papa Rick (01:03:47.801)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jennie (01:04:02.128)
Right? Sometimes it's like part of being a nanny, sometimes like with the experience that we have now, it's like sometimes these solutions seem simple. It's like the simplest things can be the biggest solution. But you don't, people who haven't been working with kids for a long time, it's not that simple and it's not that obvious. And

Papa Rick (01:04:18.977)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:04:31.868)
But something like, yeah, breathing through a crazy straw, something like...

Jennie (01:04:38.9)
Of course now off the top of my head, I can't think of one, but like going outside is one that we've talked about a lot, um, that can solve a lot of problems. Putting kids in a shower, but like, or in a bath, it's like, it's like instantaneous grounding anything from the earth. Yes. Let's go dig a hole. Like it can be just such.

Noelle (01:04:48.452)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:04:54.736)
Yep. Just anything from the Earth. Water. Dirt. Yep.

Papa Rick (01:04:54.799)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:05:02.167)
anything naturally occurring.

Noelle (01:05:04.566)
Yep. Yep, absolutely.

Jennie (01:05:07.268)
My one of my families, my last long term family had a huge garden that we didn't, they moved to that house that already had a garden built and then we would plant it each year in like, like maybe six months into my, my work with them. And we moved to that house and it was so cool to have the garden and the kids would go out and like, I didn't have to make snack or

like half their meals, I'm telling you, were foraged from the forests of peas and green beans and tomatoes and carrots and raspberries. And like they would, we would go outside after, right. And fresh, fresh off the vine vegetables, um, just packed with nutrients. And we would just go outside and

Papa Rick (01:05:43.233)
Hahaha!

Noelle (01:05:44.396)
Love it. Oh my gosh, that's awesome.

Papa Rick (01:05:53.659)
What a great healthy eating lesson.

Papa Rick (01:06:00.003)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:06:06.48)
and play and they would eventually just meander into the gardens and start picking things and eating to their heart's delight. And they like, it didn't ever have to be managed. They would just eat what they wanted or needed for their tummies. And then they would go back. We would go back to playing and they were in the dirt and they would like, we would look at the worms and like, and we would learn about how, what worms do for, for the

dirt and the growth and all the things. And it was just such a natural... Anyway, I'm going down a rabbit hole. What I'm saying is obviously a crazy straw is not from the earth, but there are just simple things. I feel like so many families I've worked with get caught up in the, like there needs to be this like wildly strict structure and planned activities and planned that and planned this and everything needs to be like bum, bum. And some of that is good structure.

Papa Rick (01:06:36.363)
Mm-hmm how that works

Papa Rick (01:06:57.959)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:07:03.968)
planning can make your life easier, et cetera. Yeah, but then, but I have, I've always, not always, cause I used to be a preschool teacher and I went into nannying with that same mindset of like, of having like lesson plans each week and a theme and a thing and activities always planned constantly. And when I realized that like kids preferred cardboard boxes running around barefoot.

Papa Rick (01:07:07.748)
predictability.

Jennie (01:07:31.308)
And if I put them in the shower with washable paints and they could just splatter paint everywhere in that shower and on the curtains and it all just rinsed right off and rinsed them off and then baths were over for the day. Like it's, you just, it just can, it can be so much simpler than I feel like a lot of mainstream messaging makes it of how.

Papa Rick (01:07:32.071)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Noelle (01:07:45.87)
I'm sorry.

Papa Rick (01:07:56.455)
Simpler is a good word, yeah.

Jennie (01:08:00.488)
planned and, and like your kids have to be constantly stimulated and constantly entertained and have activities constantly planned for them and like all of these things. And really it's like what they need is good sleep and then, and nature and less screen time and your attention and safe attention and, and real attention and gentleness. And yeah. So anyway, I'm tangenting.

Papa Rick (01:08:16.411)
Yes.

Papa Rick (01:08:28.411)
Yeah. Sleep is one of those few things that if you're deprived of for any serious period of time, you die. You know, it's a, it's not optional. It's, it's essential. This is a little, yeah, a little bit of social commentary. I think we're busier. Somebody, somebody said a couple of minutes ago about how we're always on. You know, and that's a, that's a difference between now and when I was a kid and oh my God, when everybody lived on a 40 acre farm.

Jennie (01:08:35.632)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:08:36.872)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jennie (01:08:39.008)
Sleep, food, and water. Yeah.

Noelle (01:08:40.706)
Yep. Yeah.

Jennie (01:08:49.693)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:08:49.954)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:08:57.699)
you know, the nuclear family and everything. And bedtime was probably much more predictable tied to the sun instead of my phone quit ringing and my friends quit texting things. And yeah, creating, it'd be interesting to know Noel in your practice how much the phone and the tablet and men and women coming home from work and working at home.

Jennie (01:09:04.905)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:09:26.819)
You know, instead of having a more regulated, hey, I'm at work. Hey, now I'm at home. Now it's time to raise kids or be a family. And how much we don't pass, how much doesn't get passed along. Just like we don't get nutrients in our food like we used to from commercial farming, how much doesn't get passed on from parent to child, because everybody's preoccupied and screwing around with TikTok and.

Noelle (01:09:30.356)
Mm.

Jennie (01:09:44.755)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:09:53.203)
and YouTube instead of, hey grandma's here with us, living with us, and she's teaching us the old trick she had for rinky babies and, and you know, and we're into, yeah, more intuitively how to, you know, learning these child rearing skills. You guys are filling a very important niche of, you know, all this experience from all these families that people can access through you, you know.

Jennie (01:10:00.256)
Right? How to bake or how to put the right butter in at the right time. And yeah.

Noelle (01:10:03.35)
Yep. Mm-hmm.

Uh-huh.

Papa Rick (01:10:21.763)
That's very cool. It's very cool. Very cool. I like this. We adapt. This is a real adaptation of society. It's cool to see what you guys are doing.

Jennie (01:10:34.848)
I feel like we're, I just have this vision of like, TV and social media taking over and replacing like the elders who used to pass down their wisdom within families, within tribes of like, people would listen to the elders and the elders who have seen what's worked and what hasn't throughout their lifetime. And...

Papa Rick (01:10:49.447)
Exactly.

Noelle (01:10:50.24)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:11:00.608)
Not that elders are always perfect or know everything, but they know a lot. And you can choose which ones to listen to. But I feel like we've our education and our learning within our families as we grow up has been replaced by go watch TV while I make dinner instead of come on. It's time to make dinner and then showing your kid how to make dinner at the at the age appropriateness that they can. Or.

Papa Rick (01:11:22.853)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:11:27.627)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:11:30.288)
You know, like you said, grandma's in town and grandma has all the baking secrets of how to make the best bread or the best brownies or the best whatever. And I feel like that has been replaced with the there's just this huge separation and gap of adults doing things and kids doing things. And it all needs to be separate, like separated. And instead of coexisting and even into like the elderly population being put into.

care homes and they have no access to other generations. They're just surrounded by other sick old people all of the time. And they've shown, they've done studies now where bringing children into nursing homes and there's some villages around the world. I can't remember which countries, but I know, um, it might be Finland or one of Scandinavian. Yeah. Where they've created these villages where.

Papa Rick (01:12:08.175)
What a waste.

Noelle (01:12:23.25)
Yeah, I was going to say Finland, Holland, like, yeah.

Papa Rick (01:12:23.351)
Scandinavia does that.

Jennie (01:12:29.232)
The elderly have, they live in homes, but they're like intertwined in a community. And so the kids with childcare, that's right. And so there's childcare and elderly care in the same buildings and in the same like little neighborhoods and homes. And so there's service people, either nurses or childcare experts or whatever who are there and monitoring and taking care of.

Papa Rick (01:12:38.083)
with childcare sometimes.

Jennie (01:12:55.656)
people who need taken care of in both ends of this spectrum, but they're all interacting and engaging together. And like you just watch the elderly, you know, people who have the opportunity to pass along their wisdom to these tiny generations who are coming up and like, and it's just amazing. And kids love it. It's like, of course I want to hang out with grandma. Why wouldn't I like, she's got the coolest stories.

Papa Rick (01:13:22.607)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:13:25.672)
and people live longer.

Noelle (01:13:27.267)
And I think with that because, yeah, and with that generation, they didn't have all the technology. And so for some, yeah, I'm sure they adapted it, but it's like that generation is more present with those little kids. And because kids essentially...

Jennie (01:13:37.096)
No. We had to talk to each other.

Jennie (01:13:48.369)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:13:49.317)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:13:51.894)
just want to be seen, they want to be heard. And if we have a distracted parent who is so stressed out either because they didn't sleep or there was just anxiety or something bad happened at work or the parental argument or whatnot, with, without.

Jennie (01:13:53.652)
Yep.

Noelle (01:14:14.25)
being present, those kids don't feel seen. They don't feel heard. Then therefore they, a lot of times they feel like they're bad or they're not loved just because there's, yeah, or they'll act out. Yeah, absolutely. And so then those parents think that they need, you know, discipline or punishment, but really it's just a matter of

Jennie (01:14:22.716)
or they grab for attention and like, or they find ways to get your attention.

Noelle (01:14:42.114)
them getting the attention that they want. And bad attention is still attention. And that's why it's again, so important to just as an adult, as a parent, to just calm down yourself, be present with your kids. And there's so many different, again, what are you gonna get to seven? Figuring out what's gonna work for you. Is it going to be just,

Papa Rick (01:14:58.416)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:15:14.146)
blowing through your kid's crazy straw or having your own crazy straw or your own certain breath techniques. So there are breath techniques that balance the nervous system that can connect the hemispheres of brain or doing yoga or taking your shoes off and going walking in the grass and grounding and earthing or taking a shower and feeling that water just wash everything off you or.

Jennie (01:15:16.657)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:15:42.666)
You know, some sort of self care, self regulation, figuring out what, what works for, for the individual and there, I mean, I've got so many ideas and suggestions and it's, it's limitless, you know, to, to tell you the truth. It's just a matter of finding what works for the individual.

Jennie (01:15:55.369)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:15:59.505)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:16:08.547)
different things to do to fit these complex systems that households with kids in them are. You had a story about working with an autistic kid, the craniosacral techniques and an autistic kid, how that affected a child. I thought that was really interesting. Can you share some of that?

Noelle (01:16:12.216)
Mm-hmm.

Yep, absolutely.

Noelle (01:16:23.53)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:16:29.778)
Yeah, yeah. So name change, I'll call him River. When I started with River, he was about two and a half and autistic, nonverbal, somewhere between the levels of two and three, there's different variations and levels of autism.

Jennie (01:16:36.573)
haha

Papa Rick (01:16:38.147)
Here you go. There you go.

Noelle (01:16:58.126)
but didn't really engage. Eye contact was few and far between following directions. That sort of thing just wasn't in his will house. And his mom was recommended, or I was recommended to his mom through a mutual friend. And the first time I went over, he is running around the kitchen island, just...

you know, making noises and running, having fun, just, you know, just doing what a two, two and a half year old does. And so I talked to the mom and dad for a little bit. And then I got down on the ground and just so he can kind of be on, or I can be on his, um, his eye level and, you know, just started telling him about who I am and you know, what I'll do. And if he was interested in, um,

Papa Rick (01:17:30.459)
Have fun.

Noelle (01:17:57.162)
you know, coming to, you know, just to kind of to play with me. And his mom said, oh, well, you know, he won't really respond to anything like that. So I was like, well, OK. So his mom and I got him into his bedroom. We closed the door and. I again explained, we're all on the floor, surrounded by his toys and.

Explained okay. Well, so my hands are you know can go on your body if you want me to put it My hands on any part of your body you can take it and put it where you want I said and if you don't want it and You know, I don't have to touch you if you don't want and just you know explaining what I'm gonna do and so eventually He he sat down and I was able to Work on his feet

And in the craniosacral world, we call it a still point, essentially calming the flow of cerebral spinal fluid from the brain down the spinal column, down spinal cord, down into sacrum and then back up. So it's just, it slows it down and kind of resets the central nervous system. And so he just kind of like, chill down, it's like, oh, okay. And

Papa Rick (01:18:53.499)
Hmm.

Papa Rick (01:19:09.429)
Okay.

Papa Rick (01:19:21.511)
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Noelle (01:19:21.954)
Then he let me put my hands in certain places. And there was one point where I said, okay, River, where do you want my hand? And he took my hand and put it on his body. And we did some work and he'd get up when his body adjusted to his body relaxing and he would run around and play and then he'd come back. And then by the end,

Papa Rick (01:19:46.371)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:19:51.71)
was laying in my lap. I was able to do the work and our session was only about 30 minutes. Most kids are 30, maybe 40 minutes long. And when the session was done, we opened the door and he went and laid down on the couch, took all the stuffies and just put it on top of them and then lied there. And his dad came in and he's like, oh my gosh, he's so chill. What did you do?

Jennie (01:20:19.108)
What did you do?

Noelle (01:20:19.998)
And I'm like, well, this is just what did you do to my job? And I'm like, this is just the greatness of, of cranial sacral therapy. And so I've been working with him for

Papa Rick (01:20:20.341)
Hm hm hm.

Jennie (01:20:23.276)
Right?

Noelle (01:20:34.574)
I don't know, probably eight months now, give or take. And when I walk in, he sees me and he grabs my hand, his mom's hand, and he walks us to his bedroom. He will look me in the eye. He will have amazing eye contact. And we've learned that he likes certain things and then he doesn't like certain things.

Papa Rick (01:20:37.769)
Oh boy.

Papa Rick (01:20:49.211)
Hahaha.

Noelle (01:21:03.306)
You know, some days he just, he, he runs around his room and I'm like, okay, so I'll just give cranial shaker roll to your mom kind of thing. And, but also at the very beginning, he would not let me touch his head. And he now lets me put my hands on his head.

Jennie (01:21:15.318)
I don't know.

Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:21:19.983)
I've heard of that before. Okay, that's interesting.

Noelle (01:21:22.162)
Yeah, there was one night where he just would not let me do work at all. And he wanted to go outside. And, you know, I told his mom, like, if he just needs to get outside and run around, then, then great. So we follow him out and he goes and sits in a sandbox. Yeah, absolutely.

Jennie (01:21:40.537)
ground before bedtime.

It's just because I ground before bedtime. I go stand outside in the grass before bedtime.

Noelle (01:21:49.438)
Yeah, and it's amazing. And he was just, he chilled out while he was in the sandbox and he let me do work while he was playing in a sandbox. So that was me just really meeting him where he was in that moment. And yeah, within six months, like the first six months, he went from the kid at school and he goes to a therapy school. And...

Jennie (01:22:03.325)
Yes.

Papa Rick (01:22:04.556)
Halfway, yeah.

Noelle (01:22:18.794)
He was that kid that the therapists dreaded working with. They did not want anything to do with them. And six months later, he got student of the month.

Papa Rick (01:22:30.044)
Aww, nice!

Noelle (01:22:31.078)
So, you know, just being able to kind of regulate him and meet him where he was, he has begun to flourish. And in the last several months, he's started to say some words and he has better eye contact. And he always, he's been sleeping pretty well. He did have a sleep trainer when he was younger. So sleep wasn't ever really the issue, but other things were. And...

Yeah, he loves it. He loves his cranial sacral, and it's lovely and fantastic, and it's fun. It's good stuff. Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:23:07.023)
That's amazing. That's got to be really cool when you see it, when you, the right, the right technique hits the right kid with the right need, you know, and it really, and you can really see the effect like that. That's great.

Noelle (01:23:15.603)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:23:19.774)
Yep, yep, absolutely.

Yeah, along with the other cranial sacral, I mean, it's not so much the nervous system rhythm regulation, but about how awesome our bodies are if it's given the right support. So I was a nanny to twin girls and one was born with hip dysplasia. And for whatever reason, the doctors and the parents just couldn't get

together and get her x-rayed and figure out what we're going to do about her hip dysplasia. She was about nine months when they were finally able to have her go in and get some x-rays. I took both girls and the doctor talked to me about her level of hip dysplasia and what was needed. She needed to be in this sling. It's called the rhino sling. It's this...

thing that she has to be put in and her legs are out for when she sleeps. I asked the doctor, I said, okay, we'll definitely do this. Is there any problem with me doing some cranial sacral on her? He's like, no. He's like, if you want to do it, then great. He said that she'll probably be in the sling between six and 12 months. She went in for her four-month checkup and she got cranial sacral with me.

three times a week and it was just little sessions because I was their nanny, I was there all the time. And she was out of the sling in four months. X-rays came back normal, totally fine, that was the trick. And then her sister had, God, by the time she was 12 months old, she was still spitting up like a newborn, just constantly, she would have her formula and she would just spit up.

Papa Rick (01:25:00.559)
Wow. So that was the trick.

Noelle (01:25:19.082)
all the time, like an infant. And I noticed after one of my pediatric classes that I noticed her head, her bones were overlapped. And where they were overlapping, it was affecting a part of the brain that affected the vagus nerve. And the vagus nerve goes down the spine and goes into the abdominal cavity, which can affect the stomach. And...

Jennie (01:25:44.816)
Oh yeah, now you calm down. It's okay, baby. It's okay. Come here.

Noelle (01:25:48.37)
So I just worked on her skull and allowed her body to kind of shift. And after two weeks, she stopped spinning up and her skull actually changed shape back to where it should have been.

Jennie (01:25:59.552)
Oh my gosh.

Jennie (01:26:03.384)
especially on kids that young, I bet that can happen so fast. Because your bones in your head don't fuse fully until you're like two. So craniosacral, yeah, can help so fast. Sorry, it's thundering up here and my dogs are getting... It's okay. My dogs are just like,

Papa Rick (01:26:04.271)
Weird. That's amazing.

Noelle (01:26:04.353)
So.

Noelle (01:26:10.263)
Oh yeah.

Noelle (01:26:17.91)
Oh yeah, like much later. Yep.

Papa Rick (01:26:21.307)
Silly putty.

Noelle (01:26:26.356)
Yeah, and.

Noelle (01:26:31.318)
getting a little scared.

Jennie (01:26:32.656)
and like, like walking around, they can't hear you.

Papa Rick (01:26:33.231)
Ruff, ruff.

Papa Rick (01:26:37.981)
I try to make them bark. If I bark loud enough, they can hear the bark in her headphones.

Jennie (01:26:43.568)
just turn and then I just turn him down and I'm like, like

Papa Rick (01:26:45.38)
Woof woof.

Papa Rick (01:26:49.607)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Jennie (01:26:51.316)
Sorry.

Noelle (01:26:53.181)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. But yeah.

Papa Rick (01:26:53.335)
Now that's a terrific story. That's another thing that we talk about all the time is the younger, the better. You know, the sooner you can figure out these interventions and learn these. I'm trivializing them, calling them tricks, but if you can learn, you know, if you've got things going on in your family that are challenges for parenting, learning them at one is better than learning them when the kids are two and on and on.

Noelle (01:27:13.235)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:27:22.767)
That's very cool. So do these, so when you stop doing the craniosacral does the, the child that was autistic, was he, uh, do you have to do that forever? Or is that something he learns from or how does it, how does it work long term?

Noelle (01:27:24.374)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:27:42.166)
It varies from person to person. It's think of it like massage for your body if there's something going on within the head or the cranial nerves then the

Noelle (01:28:01.218)
correlate that to say you have an injury in your back. You go to massage for, you know, regularly to help work it out and then there's maintenance. And sometimes you need a little bit more maintenance and then sometimes you can go a long time without it, then you can go back. Same thing with cranial shaker roll. If there's a kid who, you know, has ADHD,

Papa Rick (01:28:05.92)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:28:09.723)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:28:22.94)
Okay.

Noelle (01:28:28.758)
and he can have a few sessions and learns to regulate. There are a couple of, there are three main techniques that I can teach parents to do on their own kids. So they don't necessarily have to go, but again, going for a revamp, just like getting a massage or a chiropractic adjustment or going to see your therapist, you know, what have you. It's just like any other body work.

Papa Rick (01:28:41.42)
Okay.

Papa Rick (01:28:52.072)
Mm-hmm.

Papa Rick (01:28:57.304)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:28:58.135)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:29:01.275)
Very holistic, very, you know, I like the idea of, well, that there's more than, back to the more than one way to skin a cat thing, you know, there's ways to accelerate healing that would happen otherwise. And yeah, very, very neat.

Noelle (01:29:12.354)
Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:29:20.894)
Yeah, and I like to look at the person as a whole, because there's a body, there's a mind, there's emotions, there's spirit, there's everything. And if you just focus on one, then it's gonna be a little unbalanced. So working on them as a whole, I think is important and seeing them as whole and complete.

Papa Rick (01:29:40.152)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:29:48.416)
Hmm.

Noelle (01:29:49.266)
already when they come to you. There is nothing that needs to be fixed. Now can there be improvements to have them reach their highest good and to function better? Absolutely. But everyone is whole and complete.

Papa Rick (01:29:52.228)
Yeah.

Jennie (01:30:03.904)
those improvements are happening to their environment, not to them. So, so we're bringing it like the things that you're that you on your assessment, where you're asking in your evaluation, what's their daily routine? Do they get how often do they get outside? What's their diet? How much screen time are they getting? How much sleep are they getting? What's the parental temperament? We're talking about their environment. We're not talking about what are all the things that you see that are wrong with your kid?

Noelle (01:30:10.178)
Correct.

Noelle (01:30:25.861)
Mm-hmm.

Jennie (01:30:32.532)
We're looking at all of the things in their environment around them that are influencing the kid. And we're adjusting those things and offering, like craniosacral therapy is offering an addition to their environment that is healing and helpful and calming versus trying to edit the child. I always, whenever we talk about stuff like this, the quote that always comes to mind is when,

Noelle (01:30:40.055)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Noelle (01:30:51.32)
Yes.

Papa Rick (01:30:58.147)
good point.

Jennie (01:31:01.248)
When a flower doesn't grow, you don't change the flower. You change the environment it's growing in. You change the soil, you add water, you like put it in the sunshine. All of these same things, like children are just children. Flowers are just flowers. They don't not grow because they're making some kind of conscious choice or they behave some kind of way. It's the environment around them affects the way that they grow.

Noelle (01:31:07.978)
environment. Yep, absolutely.

Papa Rick (01:31:09.703)
There you go.

Noelle (01:31:28.662)
Yep, absolutely.

Papa Rick (01:31:30.351)
That's a great bumper sticker. Don't fix the flowers.

Jennie (01:31:30.96)
I don't want to have to cut this. Yeah. I don't want to have to cut this off, but there's a major storm raging out here. I don't know if you guys can hear it. My dogs are freaking out, which is I'm getting a little anxious and I'm worried that I need to unplug everything. Um, and I don't want to, I don't want to lose this episode from a lightning strike.

Papa Rick (01:31:37.784)
Oh, is it bad? Okay. No.

Noelle (01:31:38.883)
Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:31:44.937)
Uh, okay.

Noelle (01:31:46.918)
Yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah.

Papa Rick (01:31:49.611)
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I kind of cut you off before. I didn't realize it was that bad. I'm sorry.

Jennie (01:31:52.88)
No, it's fine. I just, it's pretty heavy. And sometimes when we were on vacation, lightning struck our wifi. And I just, I don't wanna lose anything. So we get a little bit more severe storms out this way than we're used to when we were closer to Denver. So yeah, but.

Noelle (01:32:03.854)
Oh no.

Papa Rick (01:32:05.159)
She was out of commission for a while. Yeah.

Noelle (01:32:06.508)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:32:18.474)
Yeah, no, all good.

Jennie (01:32:19.4)
This has been fantastic. Noelle, is there anything we didn't cover that you wanted to get to today?

Noelle (01:32:30.55)
think so. I think I think I rambled everything.

Papa Rick (01:32:35.243)
I think we hit everything on the note sheet too.

Jennie (01:32:37.338)
So tell people who are listening, anyone who's listening, where they can find you. And then I will, of course, have all of it linked in the show notes as well.

Noelle (01:32:49.25)
Yeah, beautiful. So super easy, sensationallywired across the board. So sensationallywired.com. Email is noelle, N-O-E-L-L-E, at sensationallywired.com. I am on, thank you, Paparick, Facebook under sensationallywired, TikTok under sensationallywired, Instagram under sensationallywired.

Jennie (01:33:08.625)
Thank you.

Noelle (01:33:17.842)
I just tried to keep it super simple. There's no hashtags or other little things. So sensationally wired across the board. And yeah, I look forward to talking with anyone who has more questions. I can answer anything that you might have and see if I can help.

Jennie (01:33:42.133)
awesome.

Papa Rick (01:33:43.191)
You are out there and available online even. Nice.

Noelle (01:33:46.354)
I am out there and available online. And if you're in the Denver Boulder circle, I can definitely do some in-home work or a cranial shake roll around the area. So.

Jennie (01:33:59.132)
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking time to be with us today. We appreciate you.

Noelle (01:34:01.461)
Yeah.

Noelle (01:34:05.982)
Yes, thank you Jenny, appreciate you.

Jennie (01:34:09.329)
All right. Yeah. All right. We'll see you guys next week. Bye, everybody.

Papa Rick (01:34:10.023)
Great to meet you.

Noelle (01:34:11.198)
YouTube effort.

Papa Rick (01:34:16.464)
Alright.

Noelle (01:34:19.822)
Bye.